lumix s1 dynamic range

To help you read through this post, it is organized as follows: If you are not familiar with how we test dynamic range in our lab, have a look here first. Now let’s see what happens if we increase the ISO to the second gain value, namely 4000. For 5.9K 16:9 mode at 23.98fps, a rolling shutter of 24.8 [ms] is measured, for 29.98fps the result is better at 21 [ms]. We are using a strobe light at 300Hz which creates a pattern of black and grey bars due to the nature of read out from top to bottom of CMOS sensors. When you combine a high-performing sensor with a proven AF system, built-in stabilization, 9 fps continuous shooting, and a relatively new lens mount backed by influential lens makers, you have a highly capable camera and the beginnings of a promising system that can pose a serious challenge to the top three camera makers. The Lumix S1 is one of two inaugural models in Panasonic’s Lumix S series, the other being the high-resolution S1R. I have not shot anything in DCI 4K yet but would love to hear your thoughts on that too. Beyond both video and stile photography, the 24.2-megapixel camera promises a more dynamic range, expansion, color and less light performance compared to the Lumix G range of Panasonic, which uses small four-third sensor. It outperforms the Lumix S1 and Nikon Z 6II and is roughly comparable to the Sony a7C. Hi Rolf.Sorry, nothing new we can share here.Hope to get the chance and test the S1H at some point. Second to the Arri in a lineup that doesn’t include any of Arri’s competitors, No REDs, no Venice, no Varicam, no C700 etc. Price: $2,500 #19 Panasonic Lumix S1R (Tied) Delivers 9.4 stops of dynamic range at ISO 1600. And if you don't like our newsletter, you can unsubscribe with a single click, the link is at the bottom of every newsletter. I’d be more inclined to trust the h264 4k numbers for this reason, but likely the s1h would gain some back in an HD downscale. Blackmagic applies some spatial NR on their braw and ProRes footage, but it doesn’t really create any artifacts or make your footage look like shot with a 360° shutter angle. For that sub-score, it is even very slightly ahead of the highest-ranked sensor (the Hasselblad X1D-50c). With the new 24MP Lumix DC-S1, Panasonic has adopted a class-leading sensor for its venture into full-frame. Combined with the Lumix S1’s incredible dynamic range, color tonality (the skin tones are magnificent), and outstanding high ISO performance, this combo has worked amazingly well for the 3 weddings I’ve shot with it so far. Unlike the 47MP variant on the S1R, which was announced at the same time, the S1 features a 24MP CMOS sensor. I am interested to see if that affects the dynamic range in just 6k or across the board. Nevertheless, the specs are impressive as is the price – so will it live up to the high expectations? A rolling shutter of 24.2 [ms] is measured, see the result below. For the Panasonic Lumix S1… In the Super 35 mode, a result of 13.9 [ms] is achieved for 4K DCI 23.98 as well as 59.94 fps. Whether shooting stills or video, the LUMIX S1 gives you breathtaking image quality with no compromise. The 24MP sensor in the S1 may have a slightly lower Sports score than the A7 III, but as every photographer knows, there’s a doubling of the ISO values for every stop or 1 EV increase. I don’t know. Consumer products get strong temporal noise reduction because it can be quite affective cleaning up shadow noise and consumers love clean images but is also prone to create all kinds of artifacts and affects motion terribly and also makes the image look thin. The S1H has a chunk of processing before you see the results, and a wedge test is an easy one to benefit from highlight reconstruction (in fact i’d have thought you’d see 13+ stops), Hi Paul, I’m not sure which sensor exactly it is, and no, there is no RAW recording yet. As befitting a pro-oriented model, the new camera has two media card slots, one for XQD and a second that records to SD UHS-II media cards. There are two important encoding parameters that affect image quality in H.265/HEVC codec, called SAO (Sample Adaptive Offset) and SIS (Strong Intra Smoothing). IMATEST dynamic range result Panasonic S1H in 5952×3968 (full frame 3:2 mode) V-Log ISO4000. With its 47.3-megapixel sibling, Panasonic Lumix S1R, the Lumix S1 is Panasonic’s first foray into full-frame mirrorless photography. Panasonic has built the camera with a sealed magnesium alloy body, a durable shutter that’s capable of 400K shutter actuations, and a high 1/320 sec flash synchronization. The Lumix S1 is one of two cameras built to answer the call, and is aimed at existing Lumix users as well as both professional and high-end enthusiast photographers. And yes, I have not decided on this subject myself either…. Sony sensors typically manage 6.2 stops. Even more surprising is the fact, that there is almost no difference between ISO640 and ISO4000 in 4K DCI mode – only 0.1 stops of dynamic range are lost switching to the higher ISO value – very impressive! You can use the higher ISO without any impact on your final image. But by necessity all image compression techniques have noise reduction side effects as noise is by nature impossible to compress. Again, pure speculation – but is some sort of internal noise reduction happening here to help encode the image at this low H265 bitrate? Cut my teeth on the Panasonic GH series, always looking to keep the gear as small as possible on my travels through the world, where I am telling cinematic stories as a hobby. The Panasonic Lumix DC-S1 is the company’s first mid-range, full-frame mirrorless camera. The 0.1 stops could be due to the low pass filter blurring some noise on the pixel level (as mentioned earlier, see speculation #3). Wow, second to the Arri. Thanks Gunther, Your conclusion is incorrect. Some cameras do a better job of recording this range of light values than others. When you use i.Dynamic, … A wide dynamic range is useful when recording a wide range of tones in a single image, and typically that means there’s more latitude in adjusting exposure in post-processing or when the camera processes the data to produce a JPEG. Video. With the exception of the top-most ISO values, where the Sony has the lowest noise levels in our SNR 18% graph shown below, the Panasonic and Sony share practically identical, class-leading results. At ISO 400, it’s just over two-thirds of a stop (0.83 EV) more, which is quite significant, although the Sony’s dynamic range is more consistent throughout its ISO range — at least till ISO 102,400, where it stays above our 6EV quality benchmark. I had a beautiful 24-105mm and 70-200mm lens with it. In this video, I’ll show you a quick comparison of Panasonic Lumix S1 10 bit V-Log output vs normal standard profile vs GH5S 10 bit V-Log L vs Sony A7III 8 bit S-Log2. Hopefully this is clear, Hi Interceptor121, I understand (partially) where you are coming from, as all cameras distribute the signal values differently in the different LOG formats. Log curve are provided and manufacturers provide LUTs too as they just decompress a formula this has nothing to do with grading. I like technical discussions but we are not getting anywhere as it seems. The top of the range Lumix S1R has a 47-megapixel sensor, while the cheaper Lumix S has a 24-megapixel sensor. As described by my colleagues Nino, Jeff, and Johnnie in detail here, the Panasonic S1H is designed with a “video first” mindset by Panasonic and ticks a lot of my personal boxes. In short is a poor excuse sorry nobody uses log or raw as they are that is not their purpose and your measures are not useful for the same reason. Let us know in the comments below. The Panasonic S1 has measurably better color sensitivity, and therefore technically has better color discrimination than the Canon EOS R, which is the latter sensor’s weakest area and may be noticeable in some images — for example, in areas of smooth gradations. Its key strength is its (Portrait) color depth: at 26.4 bits at base, it is the joint second-best result for a full-frame sensor. Or just spend money only for RED and ARRI cameras because other manufacturers keep hurting their image by “enhancing” it. The Canon sensor, although still a good performer, is around a stop behind, crossing the same 20-bit mark when set to ISO 1600. The S1R’s full-frame CMOS sensor achieves an exceptional overall DxOMark score of 100, which is one the best results we’ve seen among all the sensors in our database. At 14.5 EV, the S1’s (Landscape) dynamic range score is also impressively high, and only 0.2 EV behind the best in class for this pixel count (the Sony A7 III). Crushing shadows? IMATEST dynamic range result Panasonic S1H in 5952×3968 (full frame 3:2 mode) V-Log ISO640. IMATEST dynamic range result Panasonic S1H 4096×2160 Full frame V-Log ISO640. All in all, I am impressed – the dynamic range results are exceptional. So, is the Panasonic S1H worth the 4000 USD versus the 2500USD Panasonic S1 (+200USD for the V-Log upgrade)? Log compression is done in such a way that you can pack more DR in a smaller space so the outcome will be higher than the readout if the sensor can manage the extra DR. Where this camera will hit the limit is the fact that the V-log implementation is 10 bits not 12 and therefore there is additional scaling applied. Great DR, but cheated by using strong temporal noise reduction which is just horrible in the 6K/5.9K modes and still pretty strong in the 4K/UHD modes. Could very well be that it’s the noise reduction that leads to the good result – and as you can see in my 3 speculations above I see it the same way. The Blackmagic cameras have a very solid, organic feel to the image. Hard to put I to words as I mentioned ;-). As a video codec, H265 10bit 4:2:0 (HEVC) at around 200Mbit/s is the default for the 6K 3:2 and 5.9K 16:9 modes (I measured around 180Mbit/s for the step chart video files). Without getting too tech, maybe this can be rectified somehow? Each set of black/grey stripes is equal to 3.3 [ms] of rolling shutter. Although it’s an excellent all-round performer, its key strength is its (Portrait) color depth, and its score of 25.2 bits is the second-best result (by just 0.1 bit) we’ve seen for a full-frame sensorat this resolution. Do we know what sensor is in the S1H? His Panasonic S1H review and the short documentary he made as part of this review are now online and can be watched by clicking here. More than 12 stops can be identified at ISO4000 (even the 13th stop looks still quite solid to my eye). It’s 6k at 12 bit so there’s no way to get 12.7 stops of range… Unless… the S1H is doing highlight reconstruction before baking a movie format. The Lumix S1 has a 24 megapixel sensor and sells for $2500 for the body. I ask out of curiosity, having been diving deep into sigma fp tests and seeing very clearly the range in the RAW for cine vs stills. For your info, comparing the Panasonic S1H 4K DCI dynamic range results to the Panasonic S1 UHD results, we are getting almost equal numbers: 12.3 stops for the S1H, 12.2 stops for the S1 at SNR = 2. 12.3 stops are calculated for SNR = 2. If instead a camera does a full read out and has 4x pixels there will be 1 stop benefit of SNR because of pixel binning real time done by the DSP. Broadcast safe? So we would have to ask Panasonic for that .. I’m in contact with an ambassador who has been asking that Panasonic for years. No spam, guaranteed! If you’ve got a Lumix camera you’ve probably noticed a setting in the menus called i.Dynamic. I don’t understand the use of compression, let alone varying compression, to do a test like this. Gunther, I would love to see side-by-side comparison shots where you can visibly demonstrate the “it feels thin, lacks depth in a way” comments about the S1H against a camera that does not show these issues. Still can’t match ARRI in terms of highlight DR, which is more than 7.5 stops above 18% gray. Do you guys have a library of lab test results anywhere on the site so that we can compare results from different cameras? ISO 4000 V-Log 4K DCI (4096×2160) Full frame Dynamic Range Results: Another surprise – in 4K DCI mode almost the same result as for 6K and 5.9K is now achieved – 12.2 stops. There are other things that are useful to people like SNR and color accuracy that are easier to test perhaps you could try to include those instead of trying on DR that is almost impossible to measure in an accurate way due to the number of variables at play. 12.3 stops are calculated for SNR = 2. It’s visible in the samples uploaded by Kinson Loo or even in some productions made using this camera. And this is the reason for some of your measures differences. They are usually switched on by default and must be explicitly turned off. 2: Dynamic Range comparison of the Panasonic LUMIX S1 – it comes in just behind the URSA Mini Pro 4.6 If we compare this result to the Dynamic Range of the Panasonic GH5S in HLG mode (ISO800, NR = 0) coming in at 9.9 stops, this is about 2.3 stops higher! Waveform plot of the Xyla 21 step chart Panasonic S1H 5952×3968 Full frame V-Log ISO4000. Also See: Photographic Dynamic Range Shadow Improvement Chart Read Noise in DNs Chart Input-referred Read Noise Chart Further Reading: Sensor Analysis Primer - Engineering and Photographic Dynamic Range Sensor Analysis Primer Measurement and Sample Variation Contributions of data are always welcome, particularly if you see an (p) after your camera or your camera is not listed. It achieves all this while maintaining low noise levels (as we’ve also seen with the Nikon Z6 and the Sony), which demonstrates that 24MP full-frame CMOS BSI-type sensors offer a desirable balance between pixel count and sensor dynamics. Ready for a lab marathon? Wejdź i znajdź to, czego szukasz! My colleague Johnnie might also help us with this decision. For its first foray into full-frame cameras, Panasonic has selected a CMOS sensor with the same 24MP resolution as that used by both the Sony A7 III and the Nikon Z 6. Is this enough to encode the noise in the lower stops properly? And so on … so I don’t think this makes sense and involves a conversion step which degrades the original file. You should consider performing tests using an HDR colour space after a transformation LUT unless you use RAW as SNR is impacted by log compression in the darks. IMATEST dynamic range result Panasonic S1H 4096×2160 Full frame V-Log ISO4000. Smearing and sometimes strong ghosting artifacts occur quite often. I believe you guys make a lot of efforts to do those tests but I have sometimes the impression that among you there is a lot of passion but not much engineering knowledge.On this an other posts on this website you allude that when you take footage at higher resolution or lower resolution on the same readout SNR should improve. Anyway if you are not able to understand this then I guess there is no more discussion possible! Na starcie jest więc droższy niż bezpośredni konkurenci: Canon EOS R (10 499 zł), Nikon Z6 (9500 zł) i Sony A7 III (8700 zł). In any case I agree that there is something strange going on with the image – see my comment above – it feels thin, lacks depth in a way and is far too clean. As the table below shows, the 24MP Panasonic S1 sensor performance is ahead of its rival from Canon, the 30.3MP Canon EOS R, with the Panasonic delivering better results in all test areas. Andreapazzo. Or re-do the test in ProRes Raw when that’s working. What happened with that 16 stop firmware update? Price: $3,698 What you see on the S1H is heavy temporal noise reduction applied to the 5.9 und 6K modes and the reason for their higher dynamic range.Also the reason why these modes have many issues with any types of motion, especially with low contrast (objects out of focus, similar hues etc.). Have a nice day, Alright. H265 doesn’t really apply noise reduction. Panasonic is aiming the Lumix S1 at creatives who want to be able to shoot both stills and video. All rights reserved. Looking at the noise results in IMATEST (lowest graph of the three in the image above) and waveform plot for 4K DCI full frame mode below, it becomes obvious that the noise floor is more pronounced – simply more noise is present. Hi Dennis, interesting observation – what makes you think it’s temporal noise reduction that is involved here? The test results are practically identical to those of the sensor used in the highly-acclaimed Sony A7 III, and in some areas, such as dynamic range, the S1 is able to offer an advantage in the highly desirable ISO 800 to ISO 1600 range, not just at base ISO 100. Thanks for your very informative tests and reviews of this camera. Cameras not affected I’ve tried:Sony FS7 (NR OFF, cine El)Eva-1 (NR OFF)Blackmagic Pocket 4KBlackmagic Pocket 6KBlackmagic URSA mini proBlackmagic Cinema CameraBlackmagic Pocket Cinema CameraRed HeliumRed GeminiRed DragonArri Alexa miniArri Amira. Between ISO 800 and ISO 1600, though, the Panasonic S1 sensor has a wider dynamic range than even the class-leading Sony. But even a jpg image like you mention above can show the full DR of a camera. So it is not surprising that there is not improvement but when you compare 4K and 6K un-cropped and actually a drop as you are eliminating signal. Now we are left to speculate what is happening here – why are we getting 0.4 stops less? I am not sure where to start with an answer – if you want to discuss something more specifically I am happy to do so. It was recently updated with the the availability of the DMW-SFU2 firmware, which adds the following functionality:-V-log transfer curve allowing 14+ stops of recorded dynamic range. Waveform plot of the Xyla 21 step chart Panasonic S1H at 4K DCI Full frame V-Log ISO4000. This now is a good result – but again the Panasonic S1 was better at 10.4 [ms] at 25 fps. Filmmaker and LUMIX Ambassador Nick Driftwood guides you through the settings for shooting in Hybrid Log Gamma (HLG) on the LUMIX S1H in order to record the wide dynamic range for displaying footage on HDR-Displays. Also it gets worse the higher the ISO gets till ISO 3200 where noise and noise reduction are the strongest. It could also be that we all have to get used to ultra high resolution video first before we make judgements. 12 stops can be identified above the noise floor. Shooting in HLG gives you the best options for delivering content for both HDR- and SDR-use. Hearsay says it’s the Sony IMX451. In any case the image is heavily processed (see also the comments about noise reduction above) and in 6K the DR result is definitely above 12 stops (12.7 to be accurate). I’ve been shooting recently with the S1. It is a pleasure to use the Lumix S1. The Canon EOS R also performs very well in this test, but at 1/3 stop (0.28 EV) behind, it doesn’t quite match the Panasonic S1 or the Sony A7 III sensors. I have long waited for the day to come when I would be able to put the Panasonic S1H through our lab test procedures. Anyway as long as the issues in the measurements are clear anybody can draw the right conclusions on the accuracy of the results that are obviously skewed, Let me spell it out so it is clearer.You record a log clip but measure it inside a rec709 space without a LUT.For example of ARRI log this has a limit at 3% IRE bit value 89 the top of the range you measure is 90% which is 848 total valid bits 759 on the ARRI log scale.The S1H has panasonic V-log whose minimum is 7% bit value 128 the top remains 848 as this is a rec709 limit. How does it affect the dynamic range captured by the camera? Applying a LUT? The Panasonic S1’s 24MP full-frame CMOS sensor achieves a high overall DxOMark score of 95, which is the 12th-highest place overall among all of the cameras in our database. In the Sony’s favor, there’s some increase in color sensitivity at 51,200 and above, but the results are close enough to be considered identical, with the differences unlikely to be visible in images except perhaps at the highest ISO value. Could it be that the 6K image is a bit soft on the pixel level due to the low pass filter, and therefore the noise is blurred to an extent? For a more detailed examination of sensor performance, we’ll compare the Panasonic Lumix DC-S1 to two of its closest mirrorless competitors, the Sony A7 III and the Canon EOS R. Throughout the ISO range, the Panasonic S1’s color sensitivity more or less matches that of the Sony A7 III. Length: 02:32 The Amazing Options. So it is possible for this implementation to produce 14 stops DR with around 24 bits colour which is fine for practical use. i.Dynamic menu in Lumix cameras. As mentioned at the beginning of the article, the list of resolutions/codecs/ frame rates/crop options on the Panasonic S1H is endless, and bearing in mind the fact that this camera offers two native ISO’s (640 and 4000 in V-Log), I had to focus at these key areas: 6K 3:2, 5.9K 16:9, 4K DCI full frame and Super 35 in 24p, 30p and 60p. However, where there is light you also find shadows: compared to the Panasonic S1, the rolling shutter in all modes is higher – in full frame depending on the fps setting around 13%, in Super 35 mode about 33%. The Panasonic Lumix DC-S1 is the company's mid-level full-frame mirrorless camera, built around the L-mount developed by Leica and now supported by Sigma and Panasonic. You need to unzip the file before you create your Tiff. Wow, you made it until this point? So no „smaller space“. You are already in safe range and all the LUTs are also in safe range so I do not see an issue. Photons to Photo has just published the dynamic range result of Panasonic Lumix S1R full frame mirrorless. I’m hoping that a future S1H firmware update will allow you to turn off all sharpening and noise reduction, which might result in a more “organic” image. If you’re using the default settings, that’s the ISO range that’s available to shoot with. The Zcam has strong temporal noise reduction as well creating the exact same artifacts lol. Stretching the clips with the Lift / Gamma / Gain sliders in Resolve? While we got 12.7 stops at ISO640, we are now seeing 12.3 stops at ISO4000 for 6K and 5.9K full frame mode. Hi Wayne – not sure what you mean? The Lumix S1 is, until the S1H arrives later this year, the more video focussed of the S1 line. A major difference to 6K and 5.9K is the used codec: H264 10bit 4:2:2 is the setting for 4K DCI, and the step chart video files showed about 420 Mbit/s bitrate. Hello Gunther and all here. How much is this compared to an Sigma FP again? The same artifacts occur. Paired with a new VENUS processor, the stabilized 24MP CMOS sensor in the S1 delivers a high native ISO range up to 51,200; bursts at up to 9 fps in AFS mode; and 6 fps with continuous AF.

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